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Indonesia (Dutch East Indies) 8 Reales (Fakes are possible)  1601
Indonesia (Dutch East Indies) 8 Reales (Fakes are possible) 1601

Check the picture. It is from MPO Direct in Ijsselstein, the Netherlands. MPO's selling price? (Hold on to your hat, Brette) 35000 euros, or about $45,400 US dollars. Obviously, you have a rare coin!

This is a silver 8 real from the United Amsterdam Company. The inscriptions read ET CIVITATIS AMSTELREDAMENSIS and INSIGNIA HOLLANDIAE. The coat of arms with three Xs is that of Amsterdam.

Catalog values run like this:

worn: $2000 US dollars approximate catalog value
average circulated: $6500
well preserved: $10000

(Note: MPO's piece is fully uncirculated, and the catalogs don't cover that grade for this rare coin.)

If your coin is genuine, Brette, it is worth a ton of money and you should take steps to preserve its value.

NEVER CLEAN A COIN. CLEANING RUINS VALUE.

All valuable coins are subject to counterfeiting. The two images below compare a genuine 8 reales to what appears to be cast replicas. The details of the pattern are precisely similar, leading me to the conclusion that the fake is a casting of a genuine coin. On one picture there is also a small imperfection (highlighted) which is another give-away for castings. The NGC Price Guide for this coin indicates the weight of a genuine piece to be 27.3099 grams, and this would be another good indicator of real/fake status.




Coin authentication is an extremely technical endeavor. To be sure about authenticity, enlist the experts at one of the major grading services, PCGS, NGC, ANACS, ICG (look them up on the Internet).

If you would like, use the Contact Us page to start an e-mail exchange with CoinQuest so you can send pictures. We may be able to discern if your coin is genuine or counterfeit. If counterfeit, of course, it is worth zero.

CoinQuest thanks MPO Direct for use of their coin image. It is a beauty!

Coin: 13118 , Genre: Colonizers and Colonies
Requested by: Brette Arbogast, Fri, 23-Nov-2012 21:27:19 GMT
Answered by: Paul, Wed, 30-Oct-2013 00:52:10 GMT
Reviewed by CoinQuest. Appraisal ok., Mon, 10-Nov-2014 15:25:30 GMT
Requester description: 1601 AMSTERLREDAMENSIS ET CIVILITATIS 1601 HOLLANDIAE INSIGNIA
Tags: indonesia dutch netherlands east indies 8 reales real fakes counterfeit nederland holland nederlandsche netherland nederlandsch nederlandse nederlanden nederl neatherland nederlands holl indie reale replica forger counterfet fake counterfiet reproductions repro reproduction counterfeits replicas forgery amsterlredamensis amstelredamensis et civilitatis hollandiae hollandia insignia coat arms coats crests crested crest creast lion shield crown circle civitatis civita sheild shiled shied chevrons shileld shild escucheon shelid chevron ashield shields crowned tiara crwon crpwn crowns tiarra crowning tiera circled encircle crrcle cirle circlet ring circles circlr circal citcle encircled ringed circumscibed cirlce circel encircles encircling rings circling cirlces circular cicurling circumscribed civitas etcivilitatis tiger lions cougar tigers

Comments

I have this coin and it's genuine and not a replica. I want to sell it to the best offer I can get for it. Any suggestions in how to do this. - M.H.H.
If it's truly genuine, I strongly suggest having it authenticated by a major certification service (NGC, PCGS, ANACS). This will also help define resale value. A reputable coin shop can help you with this, and they may also want to make an offer on the coin. There are a handful of online auction sites that will sell your coins for you (Heritage Auctions, Stacks Bowers, Greatcollections, etc.) for a fee. You can tell them what you'd like to get for the coin. Good luck! That's a great coin. - CoinQuest (Todd)

  

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