Germany (Saxony-Old-Gotha) Double Thaler 1624 to 1629
Someone put a lot of work into the design of these large (55-60 mm diameter) silver coins from the old German State of Saxe-Old-Gotha. The King at the time was Johann Georg I (1615 - 1656) but this coin has Johann Casimir, Duke of Saxe-Coburg (1596 - 1633). There are several variations of this coin, including coins depicting Johann Georg I on a horse, with the same complex reverse. The name of the king or duke appear as IOHANN GEORG and IOHA CASI, respectively. The coins come in several denominations (sizes) including 1 1/2 thaler, 2 thaler, and 3 thaler.
As to value, these coins stand on their own merits. We quote approximate catalog values and give general guidance, but really nice specimens are worth as much as collectors will pay, which can easily exceed catalog values. Conversely, coins with scratches, stains, cleanings, gouges, and other mutilations are worth much less than catalog values.
If you have a nice specimen, seek out a knowledgeable collector or professional coin dealer for an in-person evaluation. Feel free to send us large, in-focus pictures of your coin and we can give you estimates via e-mail (use the Contact Us link). The coin in our picture comes from renowned international dealer Künker GmbH & Co. in Osnabrück, Germany, where it is in a current 2013 auction carrying an estimated value of $3000 US dollars. It will probably sell for more than that.
Approximate catalog values, averaged over all dates, denominations, and king/duke, are:
worn: $800 US dollars approximate catalog value
average circulated: $3000
well preserved: $6000
As stated above, these are very rough values and individual coins are evaluated based on their individual merits.
CoinQuest thanks Künker for use of their coin image. What a neat coin!
, Genre: Central Europe North South
Requested by: Brandon Griffith, Mon, 23-Sep-2013 22:05:52 GMT
Answered by: Chris, Tue, 24-Sep-2013 14:56:44 GMT
Last review by CoinQuest: Thu, 24-Mar-2016 08:30:52 GMT
Requester description: 1625 Inscription on Front Side: Elend * nicht * schad * wer * tvgent * hat Inscription on Back side: SAX * IVL * CLI * ET * MON D**G*IOHA*CASI*DVX Pattern on front side of coin is a bald man in armor riding a armored with a small castle in the background Pattern on back side is a lot of patterns. Griffins, birds, looks like cow head or pig head on upper left side. Birds and wizard like figure holding what looks like crowns. A lot going on in the coin. Hard to describe.
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